DADI7 – or suck donkey balls, damn it!
Man, I’m steamin now…not god friggin unbelievable like tuff_fish π but still steaming. Once again I play good poker for 2 hours, then one damn donk hand and I’m out, in 11th place no less (9 ITM). Sox raises 3BB (blinds 200/400) from the button…I call with 99 and I have 1899 left behind…flop comes down J82….I check, he bets 2k. Now I’m thinking…hammer….8x, 2x…I don’t put him on a J…so I call…sure enough he shows K2o…(preflop: 72/27, flop: 79,8/20,2)….turn is a friggin King. Damn it! Damn it! Damn it!
So no 400VPP for me (bubble price) and sure as hell no money. Cheers dealer, no toke from me….and I’m off…
Almost forgot with all the steam…nontheless thanks to Trip and Jordan for hosting yet another classic DADI! Cya next time….
As I was waiting for the PokerSavvy Freeroll on Poker.com (for 1000$) to start I played some SnGs on FullTilt, no joy. Then I play the freeroll and after catching some cards early on I basically go on a card diet for a long time, then I try to make a stand with A10 but that was no match for KQ…down but not out…that would be the case in the next hand 99 no good. Oh well…18th out of 36…boooo! Nontheless thanks to Matt from PokerSavvy (aff) for hooking us up with a 1k freeroll!
On another note: only the top 5 payed (400/250/150/120/80) which was a cooler anyway after two players already sitting on 6k stacks (1k starting stack) after under 40 minutes…3 of the known faces in the top six Mookie bubbled, FishyMcDonk went out in 4th and Wes came back to take the win and 400$, nice one….
Well, well…I didn’t drop from the face of the earth, I just wasn’t in the mood to write something about my play the last few days. Yesterday and today I dropped back into the good old WSODP, no that’s not the currently running WSOP, it’s the World Series of Donkey Poker (aka Low Limit NL Hold’em Online) π
A couple of SnGs here, a couple more SnGs there…mostly with mixed success – more ITMs than busts, but nothing newsworthy, apart from the fact that I’m really enjoying the time at the tables again. How come? The simple fact that I’m playing straight up poker most of the time, but I allow myself to use some reverse donkey logic every now and then. What is that? Well, basically entering pots with very marginal hands when I’ve got a feel for the players entering the pot (mostly coming in with a medium raise, probably with an Ax) and huge implied (tilt) odds. Nothing better than to “crack” someones Ace rag with a bs two pair – especially knowing that they can’t laydown a hand if there life depended on it and hence scoring huge. Even when not scoring huge, it adds more excitement if you can drop the hammer on someone and put them on uber-tilt…
Apart from that I’m still enjoying the World Cup over here, although there were some crap games and decisions – can you believe that the Socceroos really lost on a penalty 7 seconds before the end of regulation…and a more than questionable penalty at that! You won’t even believe how I screamed at the telly and how I cursed every Italian that drove around after the game celebrating their victory. True, such a thing is just another form of variance and over time it’ll smooth itself out (after all Italy basically got screwed in the last WC vs South Korea, this time they screwed the Aussies), but ask any player of the Aussie team and I’m laying 100:1 odds on the “I don’t give a shit, we were screwed” answer…and another 4 years (or maybe even more) are a long time to get even (if it ever happens)….I would have loved to see the Aussies head into overtime and get the win π then seeing them again in the semis on our way to the finals π
Sidenote on tonight’s WWdN: I missed the start and just as I went looking for late registration I found that a player was already out. So I went ahead and watched a little and what can I say: I’ve never ever seen the luckbox get sucked out on so hard – I was too slow to take a screenshot, but let’s just say that CJ‘s AA was no match to the 99…can you say Dem Quads Beetches! Wow!!!
Comeback and thoughts on suckouts
Well, I don’t know if you can call it a comeback, but I think it was a good performance – and that’s kind of a comeback from my bad run lately. Before I get into the narrative mode, be warned that this might be a loooong ass post, not an uber post like by the Iggster himself, but longer than recent posts.
I played my (currently) favourite SnG, NL HE 6 (5$, 6 players, top 2 ITM). Sure enough getting some good cards and/or hitting some nice boards early on is a good start, which makes navigating towards the top 2 all that easier, but I still needed the patience and had to make some big decisions.
Early on I caught As4s in the BB, limped around to me, I check…flop is three spades, no straight flush possibility. SB checks it, I check it, UTG min bets…all call…I min raise…3 call. Turn is blank, I check again, UTG min bets again…all call…I min raise…only UTG calls. River is blank. Now I don’t want him to check it down, but as he was leading out all the way I’m hoping that he’s putting me on a busted flush draw (as if I would draw to a four flush, lol). I check and sure enough he leads out with half the pot…I min raise him to extract a little more value and he calls. I show my nut flush and take down a nice pot. He mucked two pair, poor fellow. A little later I had an insane rush of cards, which put me in an even better position – I had KK three times and QQ twice. The second time I held QQ I was in the SB, folded to me, I bet 6BB into the short BB (who lost his chips to me in the early flush hand)…he ponders and pushes…it’s not much more to me and I’m hoping to not see and Ace or King in his hand…my prayers are heard…he shows QJo…nice.
From there on I got some decent hands in steal positions (AQo twice, AJ and AK once) and was able to stay ahead of the blinds. Then I went card dead for quite some time. So I slowly bounced from first to last (3 handed by then), after paying off some weak Aces twice. Then it was bubble time as the other two players battled it out – one fell short and we were ITM. Chip stacks were me 3.5k him 5.5k. We traded blinds and didn’t see that many flops and when we did he took the lead most of the time as I couldn’t hit anything and I dislike 1k bets when holding 8 high on a AKxx board…then my patience payed off. I hold QJ he min raises and I call (pot now 2k), flop is the ever so beautiful QJJ. I check, he checks. Turn is blank. I bet 500. He calls. River is blank. I bet 500, he calls. Pot 4k is shoved to me. Now that I’m sitting on slightly over 7k chips I’m in full control and end the match in the next hand…I push with Ax he calls with Qx and I’m the winner.
Wheee…I thought I couldn’t win anymore, groovy to see that I can. As I said above, it sure helps to get good starting hands, but we all know that’s just part of the game. My assessment prior to playing today was that I had some flaws in my recent play (which were no doubt impaired by a bad run of cards/suckouts) – cards speak, but some consideration can sometimes replace a good cup:
- Don’t underestimate the other players – true I’m playing at low levels, but they’re not all donkeys.
- Don’t let the frustration of prior hands/sessions get the best of you – you might know that feeling that you have to “push the envelope” when you’re running bad, which more often than not will hurt you instead of the donks.
- Patience is key, don’t let card-deadness or dry flops get the best of you – unless the odds + your feeling for the hand/opponent (along with possible user notes π ) imply a call/raise, don’t waste your chips. This is war, one battle lost isn’t the end.
- Bubble time is crucial, but don’t get too pushy or too tight – recently I was letting the aggression monkey out of it’s cage right at bubble time, which didn’t work out so well. Pushing preflop, even with a decent hand, is not the only option.
- Don’t let the fear of getting sucked out on interfere with your sound play* (find the * further below for extended thoughts on this one)
- etc etc
Now I don’t claim to have found a cure for my recent bad run, I’m just thinking that by not looking at my game over the last few days (week) I put myself into some spots that I didn’t need to be in. (There’s a huge difference whether someone has to call your all-in bet when it’s 30BB instead of 15BB – true, some ppl will call you one way or another, but sometimes you gotta think that even the biggest donkey will at least think a little before calling a huge all-in (no question that sometimes they won’t and so this example really is situational and I didn’t put myself in a weak stack position by playing badly that often [sometimes I did by “taking shots”, sometimes it was just a series of suckouts])).
One way or another, cards speak, so if you get sucked out on for the umpteenth time, then so be it…if your decisions prior to the hand and in the hand were sound, there’s nothing to get angry about – it’s part of the game, although we all dislike it very much (especially if the suckout was really by some donk drawing with TOTALLY incorrect odds).
*On June 4th I said that I was working on a post resolving around the question βHow does βquestionableβ play influence your own game?β?, I didn’t continue to write on the post as I was going crazy over it. Let me quote the things I wrote about that question and then have another look at it:
—Quote: Original post draft——————–
After yesterday’s live game I had a long discussion on the way home. The main topic was the question “How does ‘questionable’ (aka “bad play”) influence your own game?” To put this question into context I would like to start things of with a description of some typical scenarios (1.-3. taken from yesterday’s home game, 4. from the tourney two weeks ago – tournament, NL HE, two tables):
- I’m holding QhQd in the BB. The table is seven handed and you watch how the action makes it’s way around the table. Fold. Call. Fold. Call. Fold. Call. Action is on me. Blinds are at Level one (.10/.20) so I decide to punish the limpers and/or end the hand right there. Fold, Call, Call from the SB. Flop comes down Jack high with two clubs and one spade. SB checks. What do you do?
- I’m holding AcQh and pump it up to 2 (blinds at .20/.40). Two callers. Flop comes down Ah-Xd-Xs. I bet half the pot, one player folds, the other on the button calls. Turn is Xs. I check…Button checks. River is Xs…I check…Button bets 1.5x the pot. What do you do?
- I’m holding A9o…two callers…flop comes down A-Xs-Xs…I bet to see where I’m at…one player folds…one player calls…turn is another blank…I bet again…other player calls. River is another 9s…I check…other player goes into the tank and bets around the pot. What do you do?
- Player 1 is holding JJ in LP, Player 2 is holding KQo in MP…player 2 raises preflop to 4xBB…player 1 calls. Flop comes down AKQ rainbow…player 2 bets the pot…player 1 calls….turn is blank…player 2 bets the pot…player 1 calls…river is a J…player 2 bets the pot…player 1 calls…What do you make of this hand?
To add some more context to the scenarios a little analysis of the player’s styles is in order: There are some more conservative players [playing “good” starting hands, mixing things up sometimes with not-premium hands, only playing to the river if odds are correct, using and caring about position, etc], some swing players [mostly playing good starting hands, but a greater range of hands, sometimes mixing it up with minimal chances, but mostly playing straight up poker], some risky players [playing a large range of hands, mostly calling station type poker, no reraise until the river, etc] and some maniacs [basically playing almost all two cards as long as they look pretty (to those players), couldn’t care less about pot odds, outs, etc; unable and/or unwillingly to let a hand go if there’s the slightest chance to make the hand (even if there’s only one card to come)].
Now that all this info has been provided I would like to start to answer the original question for myself: “How does questionable play influence your own game?” – Tough one, but after the recent live games I would have to answer it in two words: a lot! Depending on who’s in the hand it’s really tough to play text-book poker. If I raise preflop to 5xBB or 10x BB or even more, what sort of hands does your opponent(s) call with? Where are you at if you’re holding something like AQo on a King high board and your bet is just called? There’s no such thing as “justice” in poker, but sometimes you wish that there was. How can the deck reward a maniac calling HUGE bets with A2? Maybe the phrase “but they were s00ted” sounds too good to the poker gods, so they keep giving those players runner runner flushs? So, I basically tried two different strategies in the last two tourneys:
- Make it known that you’re in the hand. Play your preflop “monsters” like there’s no tomorrow. Bet the living jebus out of them if you connect on the flop. – What was the result? I get sucked out on 3 occasions by players who had no odds and hence no right to even think about staying in the hands till the end and I’m out quickly (see here).
- Play cautiously and use the concept of the preemptive laydown/slowplay**. – Where did it lead me to? To the final table, but not in healthy chip position.
**Def. Preemptive slowplay/ preemptive laydown: “You’re in a hand with at least one maniac. You know that he won’t laydown his hand no matter how large you bet. You hold the current nuts, but the board is scary (i.e. two cards of the same suit; gapped cards making a straight possible, especially with two cards to come; a lot of overcards; etc). Instead of trying to protect your hand by betting large amount of chips, you’re checking it down, calling it down till the end if the bets aren’t huge or you’re laying it down right there, because you suspect that your maniac opponent is drawing to the nuts. You make a preemptive slowplay / preemptive laydown.”
Now, most people would call me crazy to even think about such a concept. After all if you’re anywhere from 5x% – 100% it’s an incorrect play, depending on the situation (i.e. while it seems to be an incorrect play if you’re let’s say 80/20 to win, but if you’re only 50/50 aka coinflip it might not be incorrect to throw it away and wait for a better spot). The recent experience contradicts that assumption. [Quick thought: Surely over the long run it will hurt me and reward the maniac at the same time, if I continue to not push the edges…but for the time being it seems to work, not optimal, but junk kick free]. Let’s go back to the scenarios I presented above:
- We’re three handed with two solid players and one maniac. Both decide to call my preflop raise, so it’s safe to assume that the solid player has got at least a twenty and the maniac at least an Ace rag. The flop comes down Jack high with two clubs. Normally I would bet out at least half the pot to see where I’m at, but given the read I’ve got I decide that I don’t want to put more money in the pot. Solid player checks, maniac checks. Now I’m really sure that at least one of my opponents is on a flush draw and the other one is probably still playing his Ace rag. Turn is a blank spade, which puts two spades and two clubs on the board, still Jack high. I check again and the others check right behind me. River is another blank spade, now there are two clubs and three spades on board. I check…solid player bets…maniac reraises…I curse my “slowplay” or otherwise put my unwillingness to put more money in the pot and fold. The solid player re-reraises. Maniac is worried, but calls…Solid player shows: Q high flush, maniac shows K high flush… – in this case I played the hand pretty badly…I should have put in a huge bet after the flop, but I didn’t…and so I got sucked out on. Not really a classic preemptive laydown, but a hand that was playing with my mind. I was so worried about getting sucked out on at the turn and/or river, that I fucked it up pretty good…even the maniac wouldn’t have called an All-In on the flop…then again: if he didn’t have the spades, but the clubs, he would have called…and a single ace would have killed me, too.
- Once again, scared play postflop, because of the fear of getting sucked out on. At the end this was a classic preemptive laydown hand. He was indeed drawing to the nuts and connecting yet again. He wouldn’t have layed it down no matter what. Classic preemptive slowplay and laydown in the end. I mucked the hand face up as I knew that he had the flush, yet again.
- Basically the same as 2.
- In this hand I wasn’t involved, it was the opposite of scared play and nowhere near an preemtive laydown. The player holding KQ raised preflop, flopped two pair, bet the living jebus out of it and got sucked out on in the end. What odds and outs did the player holding JJ have? Outs:two Js, four tens. Odds: After the flop roughly 22/78, after the turn roughly 14/86…so he had no business in the pot given the three overcards and the huge bets, nontheless this play was yet again rewarded by the deck.
Wow, now that I’m looking at that post (which wasn’t edited since original writing and no I’m not embarrassed to put it out there, otherwise I wouldn’t do it ;)), I can understand my reasoning back then [after getting sucked out on not only in the online games, but in my own home game, which I usually had at my finger tips].
But let’s be real – the concept of the preemptive laydown/slowplay to minimize losses is soooo way over the top, that’s it’s fucking up your own mind pretty good along with the harmful side effects of minimising your chances to win huge pots along but at the same time encouraging the maniacs/donks to keep drawing out on you on now “improved”, but probably still incorrect, odds [although it might still be valid over a very small statistical smaple!]. So scratch that, time to get back to the good old poker philosophy – stick with your instincts/feels, play correctly but mix it up sometimes and take some shots, anything else will be to your disadvantage in the long run.
Now that I got that devil of my shoulder I can officially announce that I’m back and what can I say to the home game crew: better watch out…I’m back to reclaim my overall net throne…so watch out! [I’m still the player with the most money won overall due to my participation in more events, but I lost the net won throne to a mate of mine (hi Armin :))]
I’ll save a dollar or two..
…by not telling some random “bad beat” stories π
All I’m going to say about today’s sessions at PokerStars, Full Tilt and Party is: …at least they were s00ted…nice call sirs… π
Wow, all I can say is wow…180 SnG, from top to bottom in a heart beat. Always nice to see good hands early on (i.e. AK, AA twice)…not so good if you first accumulate chips fast just to lose them even faster after being runner-runnered and/or rivered three times in a row (I’ll save you the details, but let’s say trip Aces, etc weren’t good when everything was said and done). Nice. Good calls Sirs …my fullest respect…
I’m off to vomit now…
DADI is coming home
Yes! DADI 7 is around the corner and yes, DADI is coming home…home to NL Hold’em! Cool stuff, find the infos in the pimpin pic below. Note: the password is not the usual!!!
Shameless plug – Text-Link-Ads.com
Well, what can I say…you might have noticed the new category “Site Supporters” in the left hand navigation column. Yes, I started to sell some text links, as they’re a good way to get some money without overcluttering your website. Shameless plug? – Yup, I want to tell you about how I’m selling text links: I’m using Text-Link-Ads.com (aff). You just signup, thanks for using my referral π , and add your site for review. Usually it’s accepted almost instantly and you can start to sell links. They handle everything: advertising (you can be found in their site directory), selling and billing…all you need to do is implement the ad script (they provide different APIs from WordPress Plugin to PHP so it’s easy to set it up) and wait for the first emails about a successfull sale to come in – it didn’t take more than 2 days till the first links were sold here on poker-tastic.com and I’m really happy so far. They take their fair share of all sales (50% of the link prices), which is alrighty with me as they take on all the work of selling and handling. So..if you ever thought about getting some extra dough…try text-link-ads! If you want a rough idea about how much you could possibly make…use their calculator to get an estimation…you might be surprised what you could make pretty much without any extra effort…I sure was π
Once again, a referraled pic for you…
World Blogger Championship of Online Poker (WBCOOP)
So, I played the World Blogger Championship of Online Poker or the WBCOOP tonight. 2246 fellow blogger joined me to make up a field of 2247 hammer dropping festival of suckouts, resuckouts, nice hands and bad beats.
Early on I was pretty lonely at my table as 5 of the 9 players sat out. I guess that the WBCOOP on father’s day (at least in the US) was enough to keep several dozens/hundreds players away from the felt. I didn’t care though as I began to build up my stack with several nice flops and good starting hands. It was a total of 46 minutes until I had the pleasure to drop my first hammer – and let’s be honest here, what would a World Blogger Championship be without the occasional hammer dropping?
Nothing much to report in the next roughly 15 minutes, until the last hand before the first break, I hold 1010 and I pop it up to 3BB…one caller is willing to see a flop of KQ10 with me…I push…he calls (I got him more than covered)…he shows Kxo…nice…the turn K makes me hold my breath, but the river is blank and I rack up a nice pot to head into the break.
As we’re heading into the break I’m well over the average…107 hands played, largest: 26450, average: 3002, smallest 5…I’m 151st of the 1497 remaining players.
I didn’t take notes in the second hour, but there were some good hands early on which put me slightly over 8k, just be down again after some hands didn’t connect at all. So we head into the second break and I’m 284th of the 350 remaining, sitting on a measly just under 5k in chips…largest: 50570, average: 12840, small 500.
Two orbits after the break I’m out. I sit in MP with AA, nice. No limpers in front of me, I push, monster stack goes over the top…the blinds fold. He shows 33…you should know what happens next…
So I go home in 273rd. Sigh…
- Played solid poker
- Outlasted many players (including CJ (aka the luckbox) and Wil, who had to surrender after sucking out on, let’s say, “a few occasions” before busting)…
- I’m going to watch the others battle it out now as some players that are no strangers at the usual blogger tourneys are still in there (Ryan/Absinthe, on_thg, GRob, Frankl, dnasty13, Columbo, RoccoBoxer, Dave (yestbay1), BillRini and maybe some that I missed, sorry)…
- Dave finished 26th – congrats and have fun with your brand new m-pod π
- I knew I had missed someone….StudioGlyphic scored! Final table baby, out in 6th…Vegas baby! Congrats!
During current Hold’em session you were dealt 234 hands and saw flop:
– 8 out of 27 times while in big blind (29%)
– 6 out of 26 times while in small blind (23%)
– 14 out of 181 times in other positions (7%)
– a total of 28 out of 234 (11%)
Pots won at showdown – 6 of 8 (75%)
Pots won without showdown – 25
Thanks PokerStars for the nice tourney and prices. Thanks to Otis for the live-blogging!
WWdN – kaelinn18 invitational
The WWdN, also known to mankind as gotta love it, gotta hate it. Same ol’ same ol’ at the WWdN front. I do fairly well until we’re down to the last two tables and then I can’t catch anything and/or can’t seem to hit anything. As soon as my stack is down to a low, I get a hand, but my stack doesn’t scare anyone off anymore, so my hand get’s cracked by bs hands (this time it was AQo vs 109o)…out in 17th of 72…either I need to catch a break or present a gift to the poker gods – although I’m fairly sure that they’re mad at me for sucking out on the hammer. Yes you read that right, I sucked out on the hammer! I confess – no wonder that I didn’t finish ITM, I sucked out on the hammer in a tourney which is featuring 72 players. A coincidence? You be the judge π
Hand of the night – the already mentioned hammer (re)suck:
PokerStars Game #5245759333: Tournament #26043435, $10+$1 Hold’em
No Limit – Level II (15/30) – 2006/06/13 – 20:59:54 (ET)
Table ‘26043435 1’ 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: Scaffidi (2935 in chips)
Seat 2: shadowtwin (1340 in chips)
Seat 3: Jaxia (1055 in chips)
Seat 4: hoyazo (2630 in chips)
Seat 5: mean g (645 in chips)
Seat 6: S.t.B (2325 in chips)
Seat 7: Ingoal (1555 in chips)
Seat 9: Grrr.Argghh. (1390 in chips)
Grrr.Argghh.: posts small blind 15
Scaffidi: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ingoal [Kc As]
mean g: folds
S.t.B: raises 90 to 120
Ingoal: raises 240 to 360
S.t.B: calls 240
*** FLOP *** [7s Ks 7c]
Ingoal: bets 360
S.t.B: raises 630 to 990
Ingoal said, “hammer?”
Ingoal: raises 205 to 1195 and is all-in
S.t.B: calls 205
S.t.B said, “For you Hoy… Hammer”
*** TURN *** [7s Ks 7c] [Ts]
*** RIVER *** [7s Ks 7c Ts] [Kd]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
S.t.B: shows [2s 7h] (a full house, Sevens full of Kings)
Ingoal: shows [Kc As] (a full house, Kings full of Sevens)
hoyazo said, “WOW”
mean g said, “wow”
Ingoal collected 3155 from pot
hoyazo said, “that aint right”
Ingoal said, “yes!!!!!!!!”
S.t.B said, “just wrong!”
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3155 | Rake 0
Board [7s Ks 7c Ts Kd]
Seat 1: Scaffidi (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: shadowtwin folded before Flop (didn’t bet)
Seat 3: Jaxia folded before Flop (didn’t bet)
Seat 4: hoyazo folded before Flop (didn’t bet)
Seat 5: mean g folded before Flop (didn’t bet)
Seat 6: S.t.B showed [2s 7h] and lost with a full house, Sevens full of Kings
Seat 7: Ingoal (button) showed [Kc As] and won (3155) with a full house, Kings full of Sevens
Seat 9: Grrr.Argghh. (small blind) folded before Flop
Well, so I was way ahead preflop, way behind on the flop and then I sucked out. Basically a loose/bad call on the flop, after all I suspected that S.t.B was on a semi-bluff-steal (if a steal attempt with the hammer can even be considered a semi-bluff) as you can see in the hand history above, but tbh I can’t really suspect a hammer behind every bush…although this is the WWdN, so I guess you could…but more often than not, it’s not the hammer…anyway…I won that nice pot, but in the end the poker gods punished me for it ( π )…
Alrighty…I’m out of here…already missed the first half of the NBA Finals game 3…gooo Dirk! Goooo Mavs! Get this one tonight and I’m getting my broom ready π